Post by coreybamboo on Sept 27, 2014 9:24:02 GMT
Hello, my name is Corey and SWIM has been reading about Oilahuasca via numerous forums...69ron's forum, drugs-forum, psychonaut, and HerbPedia. SWIM plans on experimenting with Elemi, Nutmeg, Sassafras, Sweet Basil, Parsley Seed and any other essential oils that can produce psychedelic and other psychoactive effects. Does anyone recommend any other essential oils? Also, is using the SWIM acronym necessary on this forum for these oils as none are illegal/controlled (except sassafras)?
Is the information on the Herbpedia pages up to date and thus credible? (http://herbpedia.wikidot.com/oilahuasca-activation , herbpedia.wikidot.com/oilahuasca-activators ). If not, can someone point SWIM in the direction of up-to-date research regarding diet, enzyme protocol, and active essential oil dosages? SWIM is going to buy these oils and enzyme inhibitors/inducers as well as other supplements than can aid in oilahuasca activation. Perhaps we could make a page for each oil (nutmeg, elemi, sassafras, Sweet Basil, Parsley, etc.) with recommendation for diet, enzyme supplementation, and dosage for each oil. A protocol for each oil's uniqueness, if you will.
Are there any other foods that should be restricted? SWIM found a couple of other foods listed on another forum that were not on the HerbPedia article. These include avoiding Turmeric, Valerian Root, Black Pepper, Cayenne, Cinnamon, Curcumin, Ginkgo Biloba, Pomegranate, Pummelo, Quercetin, Saint John's Wort, White Grapefruit, Eugenol, Starfruit Juice, and all toasted/charred/broiled foods for 1-2 days prior to dosage. A lot of these (black pepper, cinnamon, cayenne, starfruit, pomegranate, valerian) are listed as activators on the herbpedia site, so SWIM was confused.
SWIM noticed that there are two major methods of ingestion, the BP3 and PEA3. Both are similar except for the 3rd step. Via the BP3, one drinks 5-10 grams of filtered black pepper tea, while via the PEA3 method, one takes 300-700 mg phenylehylamine HCL and 200 mg rutin. Has anyone tried using both methods at the same time? Which method is preferred?
As per the cinnamon oil, which is preferred: Cinnamon Bark (Cinnamomum zeylanicum) or Cassia? It says true cinnamon on HerbPedia...is this referring to Cinnamon Bark?
It also mentions how transdermal application may be more effective. Has there been any further research regarding this method of experimentation? Do you still have to utilize the oilahuasca activation methods? Where on the body does one apply it? Same dosage as oral? Are Carrier oils used such as castor, hemp, sesame, coconut, or olive?
Has anyone experimented with the inhalation method via oils vaporized though a diffuser? If so, please list dosages, enyzme inhibitors/inducers used, etc.
What do people think of using Coffee and/or Yerba Mate with oilahuasca. Is it drunken with enzymes inhibitors/deducers (stage 2) or with the allylbenzene oils (stage 3) or after stage 3? SWIM has read coffee/yerba mate is best drunken 30-60 minutes beforehand and also seen where it is best drunken with the allylbenzene essential oils.
SWIM has also read that taking 800 mg of Cayenne Pepper boosts the effects of the oils. If so, how long after should one take it? Has anyone taken Cayenne to help potentiate before?
How many drops of allylbenzene oils (elemi, nutmeg, sweet basil, sassafras, parsley seed) should SWIM try first? I have seen it listed in mg but not in drops...Is there a conversion from mg to drops...this would be determinant on specific gravity, would it not?
Is it important to eat a small amount of food at Stages 1, Stages 2, and Stages 3 to increase absorption? Maybe something high in fat/protein like nuts, peanut butter, or some lecithin?
SWIM has read about extraction techniques for certain chemicals (mainly elemicin) from elemi, nutmeg, etc. Is this worth doing vs. taking the whole oil itself?
What sources do you recommend for your essential oils and/or supplements. I have been planning on using mountain rose herbs, young living, and a few others. Here's a list of possible sources SWIM has compiled...
Elemi: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/elemi-essential-oil/profile
Nutmeg: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/nutmeg-essential-oil/profile Note: They also have Mace Essential Oil
Sweet Basil: www.edenbotanicals.com/basli-sweel-ct-methyl-chavicol-organic.html
Parsley Seed: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/parsley-seed-essential-oil/profile
Sassafras: www.amazon.com/Merlins-Crystal-Cave-Sassafras-Essential/dp/B0018AJQQU/ref=pd_sim_sbs_gro_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1A23W4117A812TQP1S6Q Note: This is the only source I could find online. Does anyone know of any better, high-quality, reputable sources? I know it's controlled by the DEA...
Is the information on the Herbpedia pages up to date and thus credible? (http://herbpedia.wikidot.com/oilahuasca-activation , herbpedia.wikidot.com/oilahuasca-activators ). If not, can someone point SWIM in the direction of up-to-date research regarding diet, enzyme protocol, and active essential oil dosages? SWIM is going to buy these oils and enzyme inhibitors/inducers as well as other supplements than can aid in oilahuasca activation. Perhaps we could make a page for each oil (nutmeg, elemi, sassafras, Sweet Basil, Parsley, etc.) with recommendation for diet, enzyme supplementation, and dosage for each oil. A protocol for each oil's uniqueness, if you will.
Are there any other foods that should be restricted? SWIM found a couple of other foods listed on another forum that were not on the HerbPedia article. These include avoiding Turmeric, Valerian Root, Black Pepper, Cayenne, Cinnamon, Curcumin, Ginkgo Biloba, Pomegranate, Pummelo, Quercetin, Saint John's Wort, White Grapefruit, Eugenol, Starfruit Juice, and all toasted/charred/broiled foods for 1-2 days prior to dosage. A lot of these (black pepper, cinnamon, cayenne, starfruit, pomegranate, valerian) are listed as activators on the herbpedia site, so SWIM was confused.
SWIM noticed that there are two major methods of ingestion, the BP3 and PEA3. Both are similar except for the 3rd step. Via the BP3, one drinks 5-10 grams of filtered black pepper tea, while via the PEA3 method, one takes 300-700 mg phenylehylamine HCL and 200 mg rutin. Has anyone tried using both methods at the same time? Which method is preferred?
As per the cinnamon oil, which is preferred: Cinnamon Bark (Cinnamomum zeylanicum) or Cassia? It says true cinnamon on HerbPedia...is this referring to Cinnamon Bark?
It also mentions how transdermal application may be more effective. Has there been any further research regarding this method of experimentation? Do you still have to utilize the oilahuasca activation methods? Where on the body does one apply it? Same dosage as oral? Are Carrier oils used such as castor, hemp, sesame, coconut, or olive?
Has anyone experimented with the inhalation method via oils vaporized though a diffuser? If so, please list dosages, enyzme inhibitors/inducers used, etc.
What do people think of using Coffee and/or Yerba Mate with oilahuasca. Is it drunken with enzymes inhibitors/deducers (stage 2) or with the allylbenzene oils (stage 3) or after stage 3? SWIM has read coffee/yerba mate is best drunken 30-60 minutes beforehand and also seen where it is best drunken with the allylbenzene essential oils.
SWIM has also read that taking 800 mg of Cayenne Pepper boosts the effects of the oils. If so, how long after should one take it? Has anyone taken Cayenne to help potentiate before?
How many drops of allylbenzene oils (elemi, nutmeg, sweet basil, sassafras, parsley seed) should SWIM try first? I have seen it listed in mg but not in drops...Is there a conversion from mg to drops...this would be determinant on specific gravity, would it not?
Is it important to eat a small amount of food at Stages 1, Stages 2, and Stages 3 to increase absorption? Maybe something high in fat/protein like nuts, peanut butter, or some lecithin?
SWIM has read about extraction techniques for certain chemicals (mainly elemicin) from elemi, nutmeg, etc. Is this worth doing vs. taking the whole oil itself?
What sources do you recommend for your essential oils and/or supplements. I have been planning on using mountain rose herbs, young living, and a few others. Here's a list of possible sources SWIM has compiled...
Allylbenzene Essential oils
Elemi: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/elemi-essential-oil/profile
Nutmeg: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/nutmeg-essential-oil/profile Note: They also have Mace Essential Oil
Sweet Basil: www.edenbotanicals.com/basli-sweel-ct-methyl-chavicol-organic.html
Parsley Seed: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/parsley-seed-essential-oil/profile
Sassafras: www.amazon.com/Merlins-Crystal-Cave-Sassafras-Essential/dp/B0018AJQQU/ref=pd_sim_sbs_gro_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1A23W4117A812TQP1S6Q Note: This is the only source I could find online. Does anyone know of any better, high-quality, reputable sources? I know it's controlled by the DEA...
Oral Activators
Phenylethylamine HCL (Amination): www.amazon.com/dp/B006M01V8M?psc=1
Black Seed Oil (Nigella Sativa): www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/cumin-seed-oil/profile
Calamus EO: www.victorie-inc.us/calamus.html Does anyone know of a high-quality, relatively-cheap source of Nepalese Calamus Root EO?
Cinnamon Bark EO: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/cinnamon-bark-essential-oil-organic-and-fair-trade/profile
Kudzu: www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-superior-herbs-standardized-kudzu-root-500-mg-60-veg-caps?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=1839100259&catargetid=530002460000095517&cadevice=c&mkwid=mL1pcB7g&pcrid=54515848927&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNM04u9qFs6dF0T4ZCiqPbmkfLyPuz1SoZktNohMy_9BoC2vLw_wcB These are 500 mg, apparently only 200 mg are needed though. I couldn't find a supplement with less, so opening the capsule and reducing is necessary.
Pomegranate 40% Ellagic Acid Extract: www.puritan.com/puritans-pride-brand-0102/pomegranate-extract-250-mg-013566?scid=26593&cmp=gpl-_-Antioxidants-_-013566&CAWELAID=1782918460&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNZunCjifc9mhPeAf5jkhNoFzPrRE78J5UGXskR7sQABoCmyXw_wcB
Rooibos 20% Gallic Acid Extract: swansoneurope.com/en/rooibos-red-tea-extract.html Can anyone find a source from a local store or from a USA store online?
Rutin: www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-rutin-250-mg-250-caps?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=129500085&catargetid=530002460000109372&cadevice=c&mkwid=uMKYBAyz&pcrid=59192790727&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNA-LYANCaiTofv0elm5EEwxFCvaydYBBx_e_nC8OuYBoCY2nw_wcB This is 250 mg, but only 200 mg are needed.
Star Anise EO: www.bulkapothecary.com/essential-oils/anise-star-essential-oil/?kpid=pla-178&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNXj2PIO5wxqrzXi3u1q_ah8U_F_pEML0b0V4_Gc6zDRoCxZzw_wcB
Valerian Root EO: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/valerian-essential-oil/profile
German Chamomile Essential Oil: www.amazon.com/Chamomile-German-Therapeutic-Grade-Essential/dp/B005CIWPYO
Clove Leaf Essential Oil: www.camdengrey.com/essential-oils/clove-leaf.html Is this distinct from Clove Bud essential oil? Is this a legitimate inducer/inhibitor? SWIM has seen it listed from old posts, but not on the HerbPedia articles.
EGCG, L-Lysine, Black Pepper, Vitamin B3, Vitamin D3, coffee, yerba mate, cayenne, Vitamin B9, and Glucosamine HCL can be found at health food store or a quick google search.
Are there any supplements SWIM is forgetting?
SWIM wants to experiment with all of these oils...SWIM has devised a method based on the knowledge he has accrued the last few days.
48 hours prior to Oilahuasca allylbenzene dosage: SWIM will follow the dietary guidelines posted on HerbPedia:
Folic Acid aka Vitamin B9 will be taken for all 4 days prior and day of using allylbenzene oils.
L-Lysine will be taken for all 4 days prior and day of (3 hours before) using allylbenzene oils.
25 hours before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 230 mg (7 drops) of cinnamon bark essential oil.
1 hour before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 196 mg mg (6 drops) of cinnamon bark essential oil. Also take 1500 mg of Glucosamine HCL and 50-100 mg Vitamin D3 Supplement (I read that it's best to take D3 with cinnamon bark oil).
30 minutes before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 540 mg Black Seed Oil, 208 mg of 50% EGCG, 200 mg Kudzu Root Extract, 61 mg of valerian root EO from China, 0.8 mg Vitamin B9, 200 mg Pomegranate 40% Ellagic Acid Extract, 100 mg Rooibos 20% Gallic Acid Extract, 50 mg Vitamin B3, 1-3 drops Nepalese Calamus EO, 5-10 drops of Star Anise EO from China, 5-10 drops of Anise Seed EO. SWIM has decided not to use Clove Leaf EO or German Chamomile EO at this time, but may in the future. SWIM may drink with yerba mate or coffee here. I am unsure which stage is best for Coffee/Yerba Mate.
Take Allylbenzene Essential Oils (How many drops should SWIM try?) such as Elemi, Sassafras, Nutmeg, Sweet Basil, and Parsley Seed with a cup of Coffee/Yerba Mate, 1500 mg of Glucosamine HCL and either 5-10 grams of Black Pepper tea or 300-700 mg phenylehylamine HCl and 200 mg of Rutin.
How long after allylbenzene ingestion should SWIM take 800 mg of Cayenne?
Should SWIM eat food right after taking the activators and/or allylbenzene essential oils?
SWIM will also take Glucosamine HCL throughout the experience to boost effects. Are there any other supplements SWIM should take during experience? Something high in Vitamin C, perhaps?
SWIM will also exercise after allylbenzene ingestion a bit to help potentiate...
First, SWIM wants to experiment with sassafras essential oil (please find me a source!). Any advice for this particular oil regarding activation techniques?
Phenylethylamine HCL (Amination): www.amazon.com/dp/B006M01V8M?psc=1
Black Seed Oil (Nigella Sativa): www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/cumin-seed-oil/profile
Calamus EO: www.victorie-inc.us/calamus.html Does anyone know of a high-quality, relatively-cheap source of Nepalese Calamus Root EO?
Cinnamon Bark EO: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/cinnamon-bark-essential-oil-organic-and-fair-trade/profile
Kudzu: www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-superior-herbs-standardized-kudzu-root-500-mg-60-veg-caps?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=1839100259&catargetid=530002460000095517&cadevice=c&mkwid=mL1pcB7g&pcrid=54515848927&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNM04u9qFs6dF0T4ZCiqPbmkfLyPuz1SoZktNohMy_9BoC2vLw_wcB These are 500 mg, apparently only 200 mg are needed though. I couldn't find a supplement with less, so opening the capsule and reducing is necessary.
Pomegranate 40% Ellagic Acid Extract: www.puritan.com/puritans-pride-brand-0102/pomegranate-extract-250-mg-013566?scid=26593&cmp=gpl-_-Antioxidants-_-013566&CAWELAID=1782918460&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNZunCjifc9mhPeAf5jkhNoFzPrRE78J5UGXskR7sQABoCmyXw_wcB
Rooibos 20% Gallic Acid Extract: swansoneurope.com/en/rooibos-red-tea-extract.html Can anyone find a source from a local store or from a USA store online?
Rutin: www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-rutin-250-mg-250-caps?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=129500085&catargetid=530002460000109372&cadevice=c&mkwid=uMKYBAyz&pcrid=59192790727&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNA-LYANCaiTofv0elm5EEwxFCvaydYBBx_e_nC8OuYBoCY2nw_wcB This is 250 mg, but only 200 mg are needed.
Star Anise EO: www.bulkapothecary.com/essential-oils/anise-star-essential-oil/?kpid=pla-178&gclid=CjwKEAjwwJmhBRC56KOelNOXhxUSJAB_w2uNXj2PIO5wxqrzXi3u1q_ah8U_F_pEML0b0V4_Gc6zDRoCxZzw_wcB
Valerian Root EO: www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/valerian-essential-oil/profile
German Chamomile Essential Oil: www.amazon.com/Chamomile-German-Therapeutic-Grade-Essential/dp/B005CIWPYO
Clove Leaf Essential Oil: www.camdengrey.com/essential-oils/clove-leaf.html Is this distinct from Clove Bud essential oil? Is this a legitimate inducer/inhibitor? SWIM has seen it listed from old posts, but not on the HerbPedia articles.
EGCG, L-Lysine, Black Pepper, Vitamin B3, Vitamin D3, coffee, yerba mate, cayenne, Vitamin B9, and Glucosamine HCL can be found at health food store or a quick google search.
Are there any supplements SWIM is forgetting?
SWIM wants to experiment with all of these oils...SWIM has devised a method based on the knowledge he has accrued the last few days.
48 hours prior to Oilahuasca allylbenzene dosage: SWIM will follow the dietary guidelines posted on HerbPedia:
Folic Acid aka Vitamin B9 will be taken for all 4 days prior and day of using allylbenzene oils.
L-Lysine will be taken for all 4 days prior and day of (3 hours before) using allylbenzene oils.
25 hours before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 230 mg (7 drops) of cinnamon bark essential oil.
1 hour before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 196 mg mg (6 drops) of cinnamon bark essential oil. Also take 1500 mg of Glucosamine HCL and 50-100 mg Vitamin D3 Supplement (I read that it's best to take D3 with cinnamon bark oil).
30 minutes before allylbenzene ingestion: SWIM will take 540 mg Black Seed Oil, 208 mg of 50% EGCG, 200 mg Kudzu Root Extract, 61 mg of valerian root EO from China, 0.8 mg Vitamin B9, 200 mg Pomegranate 40% Ellagic Acid Extract, 100 mg Rooibos 20% Gallic Acid Extract, 50 mg Vitamin B3, 1-3 drops Nepalese Calamus EO, 5-10 drops of Star Anise EO from China, 5-10 drops of Anise Seed EO. SWIM has decided not to use Clove Leaf EO or German Chamomile EO at this time, but may in the future. SWIM may drink with yerba mate or coffee here. I am unsure which stage is best for Coffee/Yerba Mate.
Take Allylbenzene Essential Oils (How many drops should SWIM try?) such as Elemi, Sassafras, Nutmeg, Sweet Basil, and Parsley Seed with a cup of Coffee/Yerba Mate, 1500 mg of Glucosamine HCL and either 5-10 grams of Black Pepper tea or 300-700 mg phenylehylamine HCl and 200 mg of Rutin.
How long after allylbenzene ingestion should SWIM take 800 mg of Cayenne?
Should SWIM eat food right after taking the activators and/or allylbenzene essential oils?
SWIM will also take Glucosamine HCL throughout the experience to boost effects. Are there any other supplements SWIM should take during experience? Something high in Vitamin C, perhaps?
SWIM will also exercise after allylbenzene ingestion a bit to help potentiate...
First, SWIM wants to experiment with sassafras essential oil (please find me a source!). Any advice for this particular oil regarding activation techniques?
