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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 6, 2014 7:17:45 GMT
I am aware that discussing Datura is taboo and frowned upon in some forums. If it is not welcomed here, feel free to remove this post. I have a datura inoxia plant at home and have been considering harvesting the seeds, leaves, and flowers. I will not be ingesting it as I have heard numerous horror stories. It can kill you or make you mentally psychotic. It is a hallucinogen, but not a psychedelic, at least from what I have heard. Just go to erowid to learn more. I am interested in the effects when it is smoked, specifically with marijuana, as it's rumored to potentiate the high to make it more of a stoned, couch-locked high.I have read that it is more benign this way. Here is a thread from another forum: www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45116 and www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8692112 , and www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17860Have any of you smoked datura in the past? I do not take this lightly and I will be using small amounts of the same part of the plant if I do decide to try this. |
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 6, 2014 14:07:31 GMT
Yes! I have much experience with this plant. It is powerful and very unforgiving and demands serious respect when using as a hallucinogen. I can not really recommend oral consumption at all. a full deliriant dose of the unprepared plant (two hole leaves or 100 seeds) can last days at a time. taking less than the deliriant dose is a very physically uncomfortable experience
you should always prepare the plant in someway, never just eat the raw plant.
Smoking the plant is a completely different experience and is very enjoyable with other things
its a strong bronchodilator letting you absorb more smoke but it also makes you more prone to coughing.
I honestly don't think there's any danger smoking it, You cant seem to get enough Tropanes to cause delirium. If you were to smoke alot of the plant im sure its possible.
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Post by Toasty on Oct 6, 2014 17:40:22 GMT
Any discussion of this plant is to be considered very seriously... It is one of the few that can cause permanent disturbing schizophrenic mental breaks. Of all the propaganda that is directed towards making the public think mental alteration is an incredibly dangerous science, this plant is one of the few that deserve such recognition. It has some good uses though from what I've read. I'm not an expert on anticholinergics, this is just my opinion.
Alkaloidaholic, what are the differences that you notice between smoking and oral ingestion?
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 6, 2014 21:33:21 GMT
Well when smoked the anti-cholinergic factor of datura seems to completely disappear. probably only microgram amounts of atropine and schopholamine make it to the brain after combustion. There effects are still noticeable
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Post by Toasty on Oct 7, 2014 19:39:38 GMT
Is there another effect that remains? Or is it the same as smoking inactive herbs?
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 7, 2014 21:25:48 GMT
Its quite possible that there is some other factor in datura smoke. I remember reading ron69 say something about "scopolin" or something like that, I don't remember how it was spelled exactly I'll have to go back to find that
Also the fact that Datura is in the nightshade family means it could have some of the steroidal glycosides found in bittersweet nightshade, potatoes and tomatoes
edit: not steroidal glycosides, glycoalkaloids
I've smoked a small amount of bittersweet nightshade before and have experimented with the unripe berries.
the effects somewhat match up to smoking datura but I would have to of smoked more bittersweet nightshade first.
there is danger with glycoalkaloids, they can make you feel slightly altered... But they are definitely not recreational drugs
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Post by powerfulmedicine on Oct 9, 2014 0:33:16 GMT
I've used Datura pretty extensively, almost exclusively in low doses. Smoking Datura can be hit or miss according to what I've read. It tends to be much milder than oral consumption, but some people have reported short-lived bouts of mild delirium from smoking this herb.
In my experience though, smoking Datura on it's own almost always has no effects beyond those of placebo. My hypothesis is that the majority of the tropane alkaloids in the plant are decomposed during pyrolysis. I've only smoked leaves and flowers, but I assume that I'd have similar results with seeds. From what I've read, seeds are prone to cause headaches when smoked.
I've found that Datura usually potentiates Cannabis when smoked in combination. It can possibly potentiate it by a factor of 2 according to my experience. When I smoke this combination, I usually mix the two in a 1:1 ratio.
I've also found that smoking Datura after consuming some other drugs causes me to actually feel something from the Datura. I've specifically experienced this when smoking Datura shortly after smoking Salvia and when smoking Datura shortly after smoking some Hydrangea while on DXM.
In my opinion, smoking Datura is the safest route of administration by which to experiment with this herb. But oral consumption of the seeds is also safe in very low doses. The seeds have a relatively consistent size. And when used is doses below the threshold of psychoactivity, there are essentially no dangers associated with tropane alkaloids. This typically means doses of no more than 10 seeds.
Low doses of Datura seeds (10 seeds or less) taken orally are far more useful in my experience. They can be used as an antiemetic and are well known for potentiating a wide range of psychedelics.
High doses of Datura, on the other hand, should be attempted by essentially no one.
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Post by Toasty on Oct 10, 2014 4:12:52 GMT
What anticholinergics do we know of?
I know of the tropane alkaloids, and diphenhydramine.
Are there any others available outside of the pharmacy?
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 10, 2014 5:22:45 GMT
There's doxylamine, dimenhydrinate
And meclizine (over the counter)
the only other natural source for anticholinergics I know of is in Mamba venom
There are a few interesting anticholinergics in the pharmacy
Like tropicamide which has a very short half life
I recall there being one that was also a NMDA antagonist. (Orphenadrine)
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Post by powerfulmedicine on Oct 11, 2014 7:58:18 GMT
Tubocurarine is a plant derived nicotinic anticholinergic but it's a skeletal muscle relaxant and not a deliriant. It's even less "recreational" than muscarinic anticholinergics since it essentially paralyzes voluntary muscles including the diaphragm. This means that it causes you to be unable to breathe.
Anabasine is another anticholinergic found in various species of tobacco, but it too is nicotinic in action. I'm not sure about its exact effects, but in overdose it seems to paralyze the heart.
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