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Post by coreybamboo on Sept 27, 2014 6:21:18 GMT
Hello my name is Corey and I am extremely intrigued by this theory of Oilahuasca. I have always wondered if certain substances in common foods mimicked those of hallucinogens, and it seem that allylbenzenes are the answer to my contemplation. I am interested in experimenting with Sassafras, Nutmeg, Elemi, Sweet Basil, Parsley Seed, and any other oils that may induce effects that are also considered safe. Does anyone recommend any other oils I should utilize in my experimentation?
I also want to thank 69Ron, Toasty, Usernamefield and any other contributor for the vast amount of detailed information on this and other websites. I have been taking notes on these pages the past few days and I feel that we need even more experimentation to determine the optimum methodology of ingesting, topical application, or inhaled through vaporization via a diffuser. I have many questions regarding oilahuasca that I will post in another section of this forum.
I look forward to sharing my experiences on here and discussing oilahuasca and its intricacies with others on this forum!
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Post by coreybamboo on Sept 27, 2014 20:15:12 GMT
Here's the longer version of my story and what brought me here....
Hello! My name is Corey Devine and I am 23 years old. I graduated from Blue Valley High School in Stilwell, Kansas in 2009. Since then, I have had a major "wellness journey". I became quite ill right after graduating from high school and it became and still is a chronic issue. I tried numerous healing modalities and traveled to the Mayo Clinic and other national hospitals in order to find healing. For years I struggled with a diagnosis. The doctors had little to no answer for my malady. Eventually, they diagnosed me with IBS-C, SIBO, and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, but the prognosis for these conditions is rather ambiguous. Their only long term advice was to adhere to a certain restrictive diet and to rest when I was fatigued. I had already been managing my diet extremely carefully, so the prognosis wasn't too helpful. By 2011, I was essentially bedridden, down to 90 pounds. I didn't have energy to work or go to school as my body had seemed to stop the digestive process altogether. Simple tasks like showering, defecating, and putting on clothing became difficult. I was totally reliant on enemas to eliminate waste. I became quite depressed and had some thoughts of ending my suffering forcefully. This stage continued into February of 2013. At this time, I found a practitioner whose expertise as well as personal guidance has allowed me to become relatively well once again. He is a Diplomat of Oriental Medicine and he uses nutrition, herbs, and acupuncture as his major methods of treatment. I am able to eat food and bask in the joys of life once again! My struggles have become a strength as I now have a purpose, direction, and passion for my life. Now, I am finally able to focus on my future without ruminating incessantly on my health. This is my first semester being well enough to handle school, and I am taking three online classes. This is ideal for me because I must eat a small meal each hour in order for optimum healing. I am incredibly gracious to the powers of nutrition as it is my major tool for healing!
Eventually I'd like to study nutrition, herbal science, acupuncture, and traditional chinese medicine at an accredited college. I want to become a Diplomat of Oriental Medicine so I can guide others towards health, wellness and enhanced consciousness.I'd like to build a self-sufficient home that will serve as both my home as well as a wellness center. Some hobbies of mine include cooking, gardening, foraging, meditating, writing, reading, qi gong, tai chi, jin shin jyutsu, walking, breathing, imersion in nature, and soccer. Right now, I am busy harvesting herbs and vegetables from my garden. My favorites right now are kale, lemon balm, hibuscus, and burdock root. I enjoy observing the process from seed to my mouth! Some other interests of mine include spirituality, philosophy, films, social/environmental awareness, teaching/helping others, and learning about anything that comes to mind. I believe we need a greater emphasis on food quality/nutrition in this country, as there are numerous environmental, political, and health concerns within the food culture. Essentially, I am attracted to anything that can enhance an organism's qi or life force, making it's energy vibrate at a high frequency.
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Post by Toasty on Oct 21, 2014 6:53:03 GMT
I may have the same digestive/metabolic condition you described. Can you share what your doctor advised would help promote the healing process from within?
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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 31, 2014 11:43:26 GMT
I will PM you Toasty...
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Post by Corona on Nov 10, 2014 3:05:54 GMT
My concern about Oilahuasca is the risk of liver cancer. With the overwhelming amount of information out there on the hepatotoxicity of allylbenzenes, I was wondering how this line of inquiry ever got pursued in the first place. Absolutely fascinating stuff, but with liver tumors developing in mice after just a few large doses of methyl chavicol, I've pretty much lost interest. How has the community researching this addressed the concern that articles like those below would raise? oehha.ca.gov/prop65/pdf/estragf.pdfec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out104_en.pdf |
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Post by username on Nov 28, 2014 20:09:49 GMT
Well it is quite simple really, milk thistle.
But to address your question more directly:
Senior members and myself have researched and extensively tested what enzymes cause unhealthy metabolites and what enzymes cause healthy metabolites and we avoid foods that cause unhealthy inactive metabolites and instead choose foods that work wih the good healthy metabolite producing enzymes.
Also few if any EVER take large doses especially for methyl chavicol, with that it's best to take micro-micro doses on a regular basis 1-3 times a day or more, if you feel unpleasant then reduce the dose but keeping dosing just smaller amount same frequency.
[SHIT GETS REAL]
Here is a better question:
What if I suggested you should never eat toast within 3 days of eating spaghetti with basil on it? SERIOUSLY what if I sat down and told you about the ways in witch every food you eat, aroma you smell, flavour you taste, lotion you put on skin/deodorant, WHAT IF I TOLD YOU WHAT EVERYHING YOU DO DOES, DO YOU STILL WANT TO BE HAPPY?
WHAT IF I CAME TO YOUUUUU and I chose to tell you about all the details of cancerous metabolites and unhealthy side effects you get and the source of each and what combining with what are causing each sensation?
You just came to us, and you have said things. Is this act itself granted permission that we might dissect your realities and present to your shambles the gruesome details of your existence on a silver platter? Are you doing unto others as you would have them do unto you?
You REAAAAAAAAAAAALY don't want to know... Just be happy, don't ask unless you are prepared to be responsible enough to carry your realities chemical actuality.
This is why we took years to get this working, in the beginning it was mostly shit, now I can create less than 1% inactive metabolites using the right admixtures and the rest being active metabolites.
If you knew how the math and chemistry of the average or your diet compared numerically on a cancer vs cancer-free basis to the diet of oilahuasca IF YOU KNEW THE MATH you would not question, you would be happy to have the opportunity to potentially learn the TRUTH.
[SHIT GOT REAL/]
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Post by username on Nov 28, 2014 20:21:35 GMT
Allylbenzenes made me aware as in physically you can feel the cancer you had before you started using them. THAT
allylbenzenes did not induce cancer in me, they made it painfully clear with actual physical warning bells how the regular diet is cancer and the allylbenzenes make you aware of how cancerous or non-cancerous each food, flavour, skin product, smell are and always have been and that you were not able to sense them before because you lacked cancer-sentience that allylbenzenes can awaken in you.
It's like another sense like smell or vision, ware you know what is cancerous and what is not usually pretty quickly after anything enters your body or is put on the skin or an aroma inhaled etc etc
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Post by username on Nov 28, 2014 20:44:49 GMT
It's not that you never want to use deoderant again or you never eat toast or charred meat again, no no instead you just learn what to eat or drink, before, with, and after toast or charred meat that will prevent or reduce its cancerous action, you learn how to put in the needed health factors so you can get away with the cancerous charred meat, so you can continue to enjoy charred meat for many many years to come instead of dying of cancer early and having your potential enjoyment of eating meat cut short.
Eating charred meat or toast are cancerous but I am just using them as examples in this post.
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Post by Corona on Dec 16, 2014 18:44:29 GMT
Umm, I'm aware that there are many carcinogenic things we get exposed to every day. I was referring specifically to the two articles in the post that mentioned that methyl chavicol and safrole are very strongly associated with liver cancer in the mg/kg doses recommended for oilahuasca when taken just a couple times. There're a lot of smart people on this forum, so I assume that kind of research has been done. However, neither google nor forum searches here or at yuku have brought up any information on metabolite safety or harm reduction. Can you point me towards any information on the topic? As it stands, it looks like a fascinating realm of research that is going to be stymied by the whole cancer thing.
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Post by username on Dec 17, 2014 15:42:50 GMT
Umm, I'm aware that there are many carcinogenic things we get exposed to every day. I was referring specifically to the two articles in the post that mentioned that methyl chavicol and safrole are very strongly associated with liver cancer in the mg/kg doses recommended for oilahuasca when taken just a couple times. There're a lot of smart people on this forum, so I assume that kind of research has been done. However, neither google nor forum searches here or at yuku have brought up any information on metabolite safety or harm reduction. Can you point me towards any information on the topic? As it stands, it looks like a fascinating realm of research that is going to be stymied by the whole cancer thing. We induce or inhibit the needed enzymes to make sure only non-cancerous metabolites get created, we learned for each allylbenzene what enzyme(s) each of them needs inhibited or induced in order to avoid chances of cancerous metabolites. we already did everything your asking for, GO READ IT UP old forum BIG pool of resources for the most part disorganized as hell. search 69rons posts and the 5-10 senior regulars that posted the most for the longest period and you will start to find the caves ware the wellsprings revealed themselves to us, the threads are like dormant blue prints. |
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Post by coreybamboo on Dec 17, 2014 19:03:43 GMT
Username, thanks for sharing your perception. I think it's good that Corona is thinking about possible negative effects, and I am glad that with your expertise, you are able to squelch most of the anxiety with chemistry regarding possible health concerns. Are the herbpedia website methods updated with these health concerns in mind? In essence, do some of the natural substances used for activation contain substances that prevent the formation of harmful metabolites?
If someone has the aspiration and knowledge, perhaps someone should write a book on this subject (or at least organize it to make it simple for beginners). I know the reasons people do not....fear of authority as well as time and resources. I am relatively young, so as I learn about neuroscience and metabolomics, I will be organizing anecdotal and chemical data. Maybe someday I can organize all this information and make it simpler for others. I am thankful for all the work of the senior members so don't take this the wrong way. Without you guys, I would have no idea this stuff was even plausible; and for that I owe you sincere gratitude. The ramifications of this discovery are remarkable, as these substances have therapeutic effects on the holistic body-the soul, chakras, mental, emotional, physical or any other dualistic category that we commonly use to describe phenomena. I know these substances have had an immense effect on breaking down illogical, regimented, overtly dualistic conceptions of reality that manifest readily within the modern world.
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Post by username on Dec 18, 2014 1:35:03 GMT
"Are the herbpedia website methods updated with these health concerns in mind? In essence, do some of the atural substances used for activation contain substances that prevent the formation of harmful metabolites?"
There are maybe 2-3 super important pages on the wiki for activation and they address this yes.
We started steering towards data from the following sources instead:
Tested on humans
In vivo
This made all the pieces start to fall into place and almost every plot hole got plugged.
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Post by powerfulmedicine on Dec 18, 2014 21:09:29 GMT
I think that Corona brings up a good point though. We really have no idea whether the desired allylbenzene metabolites are carcinogenic or not because we haven't done any well controlled studies of their effects on humans. This would require many test subjects and would have to be double blind and placebo controlled to even be useful.
This being said, I'm not convinced that allylbenzenes are significantly carcinogenic, at least not enough to be worried about. I may be mistaken since it has been a while since I've actually read any of the papers about the possible carcinogenic effects of allylbenzenes, but I'm pretty sure that those tests used massive doses over prolonged periods of time and that they were able to characterize the carcinogenic metabolites as those being catalyzed by CYP1A2.
Assuming my understanding is correct, this would mean that those studies have little application to humans using relatively low doses (and probably only occasionally) and who are inhibiting the formation of the known carcinogenic metabolites in the first place. But as I said I may be wrong. when I have time, I might have to reread some of those papers. In the mean time, if anyone could possibly scrounge up quotes from those papers that either support of refute my claims, I'd be very obliged.
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