Basil Methyl Chavicol activation

[bob]

Hi,

Swim would like to start doing some tests with MC.
So far he understands 3 options have been tested for succesfull activation:

1/ predosing with german chamomille EO and cinnamon bark EO
(German Chamomille EO is somewhat expensive)

2/ predosing with star anise EO
(a cheaper stand alone alternative)

3/ eating 2 fresh Star Fruits

Swim still has some questions about the dosages in drops and its duration of effects. What are the fysical reactions? Does one sweat? Do pupils dilate a lot? What would be a recommended starters dosage?

[username]

Take star anise oil and cinnamon cassia oil 1 drop each with olive oil 50/50 in capsules with a few peanut butter crackers, almond butter works to.

Do that every hour on the hour for like 4 hours, if you do that for a few days in a row the chances of activation will be dramatically higher.

Everyday take 1-3 grams L-lysine, and 100-500mcg vitamin B9, do this all the time on every day from now on regardless if you are planning on attempting activation anytime soon.

These things I have just mentioned will allow you to more easily activate MC with less messing around with a lot of herbs, you may still need certain other things to activate MC but you will not need as large doses and as many of them if you follow this daily, you can leave out cinnamon cassia and just start taking it again 3 days prior to attempted activation and use extra cinnamon on day of attempt.

I will post a list of activators and things to avoid in a general allylbenzene activation thread soon, it may be worth your time to wait a few day until I do this.

The list of things to avoid is as important or more important than the things you need to take before it.

[bob]

Username,

Thanks for your suggestion.
Swim has done a small test out of impatient curiosity.
He took a small cracker with some peanut butter and on it it he took 5 drops of star anise EO. Pushing a little hole in the peanut butter facilitates where to drop the EO.
20 Min later he did the same but with 8 drops of MC instead.
No effects were felt, maybe a slight placebo alike feel. Probably to small of a dose of MC and off course my diet issue during the previous days.
Stomach was pretty empty tough.
I will do some more resarch on the diet, I've seen you have posted a very useful list of things to avoid.

Thanks!

[bob]

I am further experimenting with the general MC activation.
All oils are administered sublingualy. Not sure if this is ok, but I think its worth the try.
I do avoid the things listed by Username the day before and then use star anise and MC on the day itself on an empty stomach.
My maingoal is to at least feel something when following above rules.
Is this a good setup?

[Toasty]

I've been playing around with it for a few days, mostly through sublingual and then swallowing it (olive oil included) followed by coconut oil-covered toast. I somewhat adhere to the diet (especially avoiding onions and tea) but I may need to refine it more.

I've been able to get low level activation of methyl chavicol, but still with a melatonin feeling.

Peanuts cause a schizophrenic neurosis in me so I have to find some other form of butter if I'm going to eat something fatty. Almonds do too but in a different way. Hemp butter should be good and I will be getting some soon.

Keep playing

[bob]

Sublingual MC has a terrible taste but I usualy get over it soon. Somehow I still think my doses are too low to feel something significant.
I predosed 8 drops Star Anise, waited 15 minutes, did another 5 drops Star Anise and 5 min later I took 12 drops MC.
Since sublingual admin gets absorbed pretty fast, I was hoping to feel effects within 20 to 30 minutes max.
I felt a little tension around the jaws, similar to a light MDMA upcoming, but that was all and it only lasted 10 minutes.
Should I add cinnamon bark to this mixture too?
Should I up the general dosage?
Playing continues...

[username]

Basil says: keep the dose low.

It's not about how high the dose is with basil, it's about how attentive you are with your patient pouring of the foundation of activation.

Basil gets stronger by taking basil on a timed schedule, dont take 50 drops of basil, take 1 drop 50 times each spaced evenly on a timer.

Use cinnamon cassia eo, star anise eo, olive oil.

Everyday when you eat breakfast take b3, b9, b12, L-lysine, D3,

Do some kind of excercise it helps the body release chemicals that activate basil, these chemicals are nearly impossible to get other ways.

Drink lots of water once it comes up, or milk, or eat something high in fats like peanut butter.

You could easily mix basil, star anise, cinnamon cassia, olive oil, peanut butter in your mouth and hold and swallow after a bit, and this would activate better than without olive oil and peanut butter.

Do NOT shift your timing, when you are making your plan, make it so you take say star anise and cinnamon then wait 15 minutes then take them again or basil then wait another 15 then take them again or basil.

Choose 15 minutes OR 30 minutes, DO NOT CHANGE IT ONCE YOU START 15 OR 30 MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND STICK WITH IT. You can wait an hour or two and shift from one to the other, but don't just randomly switch it up because you chose to not set a timer, set a timer, put on a tv show or movie, find something to do and put a alarm to remind you, prepare the doses beforehand, if you try to prepare them when the timer goes off, you are off the timer.

If you think it's odd that I out that in caps, that just means you have yet to realize how crucial accurate and CONSISTENT timing is for proper basil activation.

Don't be sloppy with the timing with basil and it's activators, that greatly reduces the likelihood of activation.

[Toasty]

Timing may have been the missing step I needed.
Self purifying multiplication.

[laqu1ant]

I may have some suggestions for the exercise part. I assume you mean ammonia when you said certain chemical were released during an exercise. I've heard that branch chained amino acids increase the amount of ammonia a lot during an exercise. Here is a quote :

"ammonia boosting:
If you ingest a BCAA (branch chained amino acid) supplement, approximately 77mg per kg of body weight (5 to 6 grams) before and/or after you exercise, you can effectively double the amount of ammonia that is produced by the muscles (as well as reduce the breakdown of muscle tissue so it grows larger), so if the amination process (also) takes place in or near muscle tissue (as Torsten suspects) then you "could perhaps" effectively nearly double the conversion rate of allybenzene to it's corresponding final result for a short while via the biogenic oxidation/amination process.

bcaa supplements can be bought for cheap at your local health food store or on-line.

ammonia boosting via consumption of branched chain amino acids:

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Branched-chain amino acids augment ammonia metabolism. Contribution of BCAA in ammonia production:

net ammonia production after 1 leg muscle exercised: 1,112 mumol/kg
net ammonia production when taking BCAA supplement at 77mg/kg (and exercising same leg muscle) = 1,670 mumol/kg"


Here is the original link with some detailed information and trip reports :
mycotopia.net/topic/58540-elemicin-merged/page-7

[username]

The branch chained amino acids you mention will disrupt activation because it is introducing another amine into the body that the aldehyde metabolites could combine with, creating unpredictable effects.

The excercise helps because it induces methylation, having b9, b12, and b3 in your system before hand lends methyls to donate that the excercise activates.

Some of the activation can occur some times in the muscle tissue and gradually be moved back into the blood stream and ideally brain, methylation and having methyl donors is key for good topical activation.

Lots of times I can bring the experiences back simply by eating the activators even a few days after allylbenzene ingestion, because dormant inactive metabolites get deposited pretty well everyware and ingesting the activators again and excercising restarts the amination cycle and causes the inactive allylbenzene metabolites to re-aminate.

[username]

Ammonia may help and or hinder activation depending on the variables.

How much?
How many times a day?
How many days prior?
Day of?

I'm not certain but I think ammonia could possibly eat up cinnamaldhyde and the aldehyde metabolites of allylbenzenes.

Low tissue ammonia could be helpful, maybe it's best to have high or low tissue ammonia at the beginning of amination but once the first platue-wave comes up it might be better to start depleting ammonia or replenishing it.

That is key, being open to the possibility of a multi-phased activation sequence involving seemingly paradoxical steps.

Some of my best experiences ever have been from depleting and replenishing glutathione back and forth in cycles. This also produced some of the most smooth and enjoyably comfortable experiences I have ever had.

[am]

@ Username
Would peanut butter be useful also because it contains daidzein and genistein? Ive read once from 69ron "never to use kudzu with these oils" kudzu has both daidzein and genistein and they both fit well on the needed CYP's to inhibit and induce, especially since they induce 17bhsd2.
what is your take on that?