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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 6, 2014 6:52:20 GMT
I am going to a concert (Glitch Mob)! on Monday October 13th to celebrate my birthday which is on the 15th!
I want to use a natural empathogen and/or psychedelic to enhance the experience, if possible. I was considering using an oilahuasca method, but I'd rather experiment with that at home, as I have never tried it before. Is there anything I can use that might give me some euphoria and decrease my anxiety and social inhibitions? I have heard of phenylalanine, kenna, kratom, and kavva. Yes I am aware of snythetics like MDMA, AMT, and some others. I do not know enough about these and I am also weary that they can be but with other chemicals. I'd rather use something natural. Something that produces visuals isn't imperative, but I am willing to try something that has empathogenic and/or psychedelic effects. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Post by Toasty on Oct 6, 2014 15:18:28 GMT
I can recommend something that I have not yet tried.
Celastrus paniculata, kanna, and caffeine. I like guarana because it lasts longer than coffee.
Consider also adding 2 or 3 drops of myrrh essential oil to your mix... but not too much because it will counteract caffeine's electrifying feeling.
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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 6, 2014 16:57:58 GMT
Thank you, Toasty. I looked up Celastrus paniculatus seeds and found they are quite the nootopropic as well. I am familiar with Kanna but haven't used it. So you would recommend a mixture of Celastrus Paniculatas Seeds, kanna, myrrh EO, and guarana as a nice mixture. How much would you use of each?
I have read bout myrrh essential oil a bit on drugs-forum. I am definitely ordering some! Thanks again!
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Post by Toasty on Oct 6, 2014 17:34:15 GMT
The only thing you have to do is be careful to not take too much kanna. You don't want to get serotonin syndrome. Everyone has a different dose but I have used 75-100 mg on an empty stomach... but I am trying to establish new dosages for the commonly non-empty stomach. This has fucked up my work a whole lot.
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 7, 2014 1:18:29 GMT
maybe you could try a very small amount of ephedra instead or in a mix with the guarana/caffeine
I enjoy a good dose of ephedra much more than a lot of amphetamines.
I've always wanted to try yohimbe with hawaiian woodrose seeds and just a pinch of datura. but this combo could be quite dangerous for all I know
(I have TONS of spare yohimbe bark I have no idea what to do with)
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Post by bob on Oct 7, 2014 9:37:57 GMT
Alka,
Amphetamines can cause euphoria. Does Ephedra cause this too? In which way do you like Ephedra over the amphetmine like substances?
Celastrus seeds can be obtained easily at Indian herb stores for its ayurvedic usage. But Kanna is not easily obtained....Ephedra either....
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Post by Toasty on Oct 7, 2014 19:01:27 GMT
Oh god, I love yohimbe! Especially in combination with guarana... so much electricity. Be careful as fuck though for obvious adrenergic reasons (exploding hearts would be bad). This is one of the dangerous combinations that can feel good if you get it just right. I don't use this combination too often.
Yohimbe also likely has effects on 5-HT1A, which could overload in combination with Kanna. I would need to reassay yohimbe to make sure I remember correctly from my previous tests. Yohimbe also is notorious for having wildly varying doses and metabolism times. Tread with caution, because too much yohimbe will blow you up.
I find that ephedra does not make it far into the dopamine system, unlike amphetamines. It mostly sticks in the adrenergic system. It also has stronger effects on the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors than amphetamine, so I find that it is mildly sedating compared to other stimulants like guarana and yohimbe.
Yohimbe with hawaiian woodrose seeds sounds amazing! It would probably counteract the very strong sedation and vasoconstriction (leg cramping)! Yohimbine is also a 5-HT2a agonist so this would be a nice potentiating combination... Yohimbe's 5-HT1a agonism would likely overload with hawaiian woodrose too... so watch out for that.
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Post by alkaloidaholic on Oct 7, 2014 19:41:32 GMT
Yohimbine is such a interesting molecule. It works with alot of different neurotransmitters its also a weak MAOI another thing to watch out for
Mixing DXM with yohimbe creates such a violent reaction in the body (not that I have any experience with this)
I feel there could be more combos like this to take extreme precautions of when mixed with serotonergic drugs
As for ephedrine it feels like an incredibly strong CNS stimulant for me. The right dose can be very euphoric but the slightest to much makes it way to strong and not euphoric at all
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Post by username on Oct 7, 2014 21:03:29 GMT
"The right dose can be very euphoric but the slightest to much makes it way to strong and not euphoric at all"
I agree I find ephedrine unpleasant now I find it interacts with so many different herbs and supplements that it's not worth it at all for me.
Be VERY careful to avoid aldehydes for maybe 24 hours prior, on the day of, and for 48-72 hours after using ephedrine.
By aldehydes I mean things like cinnamon, almonds, star anise, cumin. Avoid all of these and any extracts of them OR RISK DEATH.
It's possible some people's bodies methylate ephedrine in vivo creating a more amphetamine like molecule with more desirable effects.
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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 8, 2014 12:31:17 GMT
Thanks for all the great feedback everyone! This is one of the best forums I've ever subscribed too, which is impressive because it just started...
Ok, so I have concocted a plan for my experience on Monday night.
I plan on ingesting a moderate amount of Kanna, ingesting Guarana, chewing/ingesting celastrus paniculatas seeds, and will ingest 2-3 drops of myyrh essential oil all around the same time. I also have some absinthe (in alcohol), yohimbe bark, and my pet panda has some marijuana.
However to quote username, "Yohimbe also likely has effects on 5-HT1A, which could overload in combination with Kanna." What can this do? Should I not with Yohimbe with Kanna?
Are all of these substances ok to have with absinthe/alcohol?
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Post by username on Oct 8, 2014 16:30:06 GMT
You meant to quote toasty.
As for interaction of herbs together, just go light on kanna and or yohimbe and possibly avoid absinthe for now until you have tested these things extensively at home in a more stable environment.
I have found things like alcohol and herbs/supplements/chemicals that effect GABA tend to reduce the severity of serotonin syndrome to some degree.
Drinking ice cold water and taking a cold shower have helped me manage serotonin syndrome in the past as well as deep slow breathing in cold fresh outdoors air, avoid breathing deeply and slowly for prolonged periods of time when near trees if you are experiencing serotonin syndrome the pinenes present in many trees could make the symptoms worse.
This is from wiki and seems to make some sense of my experience of cold water and deep slow breathing(cold water drinking and putting on skin relaxes blood pressure and helps oxygenate blood) "Serotonin is catabolized by monoamine oxidase in the presence of oxygen, so if care is taken to prevent an unsafe spike in body temperature or metabolic acidosis, oxygenation will assist in dispatching the excess serotonin. The same principle applies to alcohol intoxication. In cases of serotonin syndrome caused by monoamine oxidase inhibitors oxygenation will not help to dispatch serotonin. In such instances hydration is the main concern until the enzyme is regenerated"
Incase it was not obvious I am good enough at deep breathing that I have several times had to breath my way out of severe serotonin syndrome.
I highly advise you only take the substances on Monday that you have prior experience with combining, don't add in anything unless you have tested the combination a good few times at the same dose before.
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Post by username on Oct 8, 2014 16:32:22 GMT
I also find the site logs me out after around an hour or so automatically but I never have trouble logging back in, it's just annoying to have to keep logging back in.
Also I am unable to post as guest ever, I can do everything but when I hit "post" it just reloads the page and I don't post.
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Post by username on Oct 8, 2014 16:37:47 GMT
"Avoid breathing deeply and slowly for prolonged periods of time when near trees if you are experiencing serotonin syndrome the pinenes present in many trees could make the symptoms worse."
This is funny because the trees also give off massive amounts of pure oxygen that is extremely universally healing, I find walking into the woods ware there is little room to walk and just sitting or standing within 2-3 feet of several trees at once (especially ones with needles as leaves) tends to be extremely therapeutic on like every level.
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Post by bob on Oct 16, 2014 12:37:19 GMT
Corey,
How did it go on your birthday? Did you try something out?
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Post by coreybamboo on Oct 17, 2014 16:48:52 GMT
Update: The concert was quite fascinating. I was relatively unfamiliar with Glitch Mob and I'd describe them as a mix between hard rock and electronic music. I did try out a mixture and it yielded nice results. I ingested 200 mg of Kanna, 1000 mg of guarana (and a bit more throughout concert), and I chewed and ingested 10-15 Celastrus Paniculatas Seeds. I smoked a few bowl of cannabis topped with Kanna as well. The effects were nice....I felt an uplift in mood and energy, a decrease in anxiety, and a stronger connection to the music. I had a lot more energy than normal and I was on my foot for most of the 4 hour concert. The theater had some impressive, trippy architecture and this combined with the music, lights, and interesting costumes of other concert goers made the evening seem otherworldy.
Another mixture I would like to try is Phenylethylamine, Hordenine, and Synephrine. There is a large thread regarding this on the old forum. Any thoughts on this concoction? I went to the local health food stores and all I could find was L-Phenylalanine which is obviously an amino acid and likely would break down into small amounts of Phenylethylamine when metabolized. Thoughts?
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